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Jul 23, 2010 21:46:40 GMT -6
Post by dave on Jul 23, 2010 21:46:40 GMT -6
1) DEs and DTs must remain on the line of scrimmage until the ball is snapped. Once the ball is snapped you can blitz, drop them in coverge, etc. 2)No running up the score. If you are winning by a comfortable margin at the end of the game be respectful and run the clock out. 3)Do not run the same plays over and over. You must vary your plays. Basically don't do anything you think might be considered cheese, exploit glitches, or something you would never see on a college football field. Anti-Cheesing Notes/Explanations: allamericanod.eamped.com/2010/11/29/anti-cheesing-rules/#post9
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Aug 19, 2010 15:57:03 GMT -6
Post by dave on Aug 19, 2010 15:57:03 GMT -6
Rules updated and clarified. Same rules we had the last 2 years. I just wanted to repost them especially considering we are geting closer to conference championships and bowls.
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Oct 7, 2010 18:57:35 GMT -6
Post by dave on Oct 7, 2010 18:57:35 GMT -6
All the new guys should take a look at these rules if you already haven't. We want a sim-style league that produces a realistic experience. If you play someone who breaks the rules or does anything that might be considered cheesing please tell text me or pm me immediately.
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Oct 8, 2010 20:11:13 GMT -6
Post by dave on Oct 8, 2010 20:11:13 GMT -6
During my game with golfer26 there was a question about me going for it on 4th down. It was 3rd quarter and I was up 10-7. I had the ball on his 35 or 40 yard line. It was too far for a FG and too close for a punt. Since it was halfway through the 3rd quarter I felt that I needed to come away with some points on that drive. I think that is a situation where real college coaches would consider going for it on 4th down. I only went for that one 4th down the entire game.
We do want a sim-style league, but I would also prefer not having too many rules that could limits people's choices too much. If we had a lot of specific rules it might prevent someone from running no huddle in the 1st or 3rd quarter to catch a team off guard, or faking a FG or punt, or kicking an onside kick, or like my situation on 4th down which all do happen in real life college football. Now if someone would do any of those things all the time then there would be a need for rules to stop it because doing it often wouldn't be realsitic. We have rarely had many reported cases of people cheesing and those people aren't here anymore.
I bring this up only to make sure that the majority of the league feels that I am correct in my thinking and this is how we want our league to be run. I'm not bringing this up to try to say golfer26 is wrong. I'm glad he brought it up. This is how we have run our league the last 3 years, but I am open to change if it's what the majority of the league wants.
What do you guys think?
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Oct 8, 2010 21:48:05 GMT -6
Post by socbe7 on Oct 8, 2010 21:48:05 GMT -6
That sounds good to me unless it was 4th and really long. I think the majority of college coaches would go for it at 4th and 5 or 6 or less. If it's too long, most would punt. Again, I don't think there should be a rule on it unless someone is going for it on 4th down every time. Just keep it realistic.
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Jan 8, 2011 14:32:13 GMT -6
Post by sgallo3 on Jan 8, 2011 14:32:13 GMT -6
in my game i went for a 4th and 8 around his 44 yard line, he had just scored the last 3 drives and i was up 3 with about 3 and a half minutes left in the game. i felt like a punt there would guarantee that he could run out the entire clock and score a TD if it came down to it. i didn't get the 4th down, but at least when he score i had 36 seconds left, which gave me enough time to score the game winning TD
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Jan 8, 2011 21:11:40 GMT -6
Post by dave on Jan 8, 2011 21:11:40 GMT -6
I don't have a problem with you going for it on 4th down in that situation as long as you weren't going for it on most 4th downs.
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Jan 9, 2011 11:09:51 GMT -6
Post by sgallo3 on Jan 9, 2011 11:09:51 GMT -6
i'd rather have my defense on the field with the game on the line, unfortunately i gave up 600 yards the first game, but at least i gained 700, with 650 being through the air and 27 rushes for 48 yards
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Jan 9, 2011 19:00:10 GMT -6
Post by jwallace0317 on Jan 9, 2011 19:00:10 GMT -6
To be clear, sgallo3, I have no problem with my loss to you, I couldn't stop you through the air and that's on me.
The main issue I had was with you lining up after no huddle to go for it on 4th down in clearly unrealistic situations, and then punting or attempting a field goal only after I called a timeout before you could snap the ball. Essentially, you were using the threat of a cheesy go-for-it-on-4th-down to force me to waste timeouts. True, it is common for teams in real life to run no-huddle and try to force the defense to call a timeout, but not by running to the line of scrimmage on 4th and 10 in your own territory in the middle of the game, three times, and acting like like you're going to snap the ball. I've never seen a team do that.
Of course, if I play you again, I won't call a timeout, knowing that you would never actually go for it in those cheesy situations. In which case, what would be the point of you running up to the line of scrimmage on 4th and 10 like that in the first place? I think you can see it's sorta nonsense.
If it's a realistic situation where you might go for it on fourth down (one example: 4th and 1 on my 40 yard line), then I can see running no huddle and lining up on fourth down to legitimately cause the defense to feel pressured and call a timeout. But when you do the same thing in a cheesy situation where you would never go for it on fourth, it's just not realistic.
All that aside, it was a good competitive game.
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Jan 9, 2011 19:19:55 GMT -6
Post by lsuwet on Jan 9, 2011 19:19:55 GMT -6
Sorry, I'm just browsing here. I may have misread, but it sounds like it would be 4th and 10 and he would no huddle up to the line of scrimmage and you would call a TO, then he would switch to a punt formation. Is that what I'm understanding?
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Jan 9, 2011 21:04:32 GMT -6
Post by jwallace0317 on Jan 9, 2011 21:04:32 GMT -6
Correct. In those situations, I had two choices:
(1) I could feel confident that he was not a cheeser and wasn't actually going to go for it. In that case, I would not call a timeout and could just see what happens. If he was bluffing, then I guess he'd have to call a timeout himself to get the punt team on. If he wasn't bluffing and just wanted to see if he could catch me with my pants down, then he could go for the fourth, and my only remedy would be to complain to the commish after the game about him going for it.
(2) I could call a timeout, so that I could make sure to get my best personnel and playcall together for the 4th and ten situation. This option (2) is what I did, out of an abundance of caution, only to see him call a punt (twice) or attempt a field goal (once).
Basically, I lost 3 timeouts due to nonsense that you'd never see in a real football game. I'm not saying it's the reason I lost the game, I'm just saying it's a cheesy thing to do in a sim-style OD.
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Jan 9, 2011 21:24:17 GMT -6
Post by lsuwet on Jan 9, 2011 21:24:17 GMT -6
I understand what you're saying and I can see your point. I guess I'm the type of player that would say "If he wants to risk giving me the ball on his own 30 yard line then go for it" but I completely get why you did that. I have a friend that back in the day on good ole PS2 if the computer picked his defensive play before he could, he would call a TO just to be extra careful and sure.
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Jan 9, 2011 23:23:25 GMT -6
Post by jwallace0317 on Jan 9, 2011 23:23:25 GMT -6
Actually, I too am generally of the "if he wants to risk giving me the ball, so be it" mindset, but it's not something I expect to see in a sim-style OD where you're supposed to play the game consistent with what you see on Saturday. Anyways, in the big picture it's not a huge deal, and I'm over it. On to Week 2!
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Jan 10, 2011 6:05:14 GMT -6
Post by sgallo3 on Jan 10, 2011 6:05:14 GMT -6
i was doing it on 4th and 5 or less, then faking the snap to try and draw the defense offsides, which would result in a first down. it was mostly in the first half, and still didn't really help because he ended up scoring at the end of the first half despite not having any timeouts left
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Jan 10, 2011 7:20:52 GMT -6
Post by jwallace0317 on Jan 10, 2011 7:20:52 GMT -6
I'm really past this, but sgallo3 it definitely was not 4th and 5 or less when you pulled this. In fact, when we exchanged texts about this, you specifically said "I wanted to make you waste timeouts," not anything about trying to draw me offside. I still have the texts:
Me, 3:34 a.m.: "And then there were 3 other times where you lined up to go for it on 4th and only punted or attempted a FG after I called a timeout.
You, 3:42 a.m.: "I wanted to make u waste timeouts"
Even if it was 4th and 5 or less when you did this (and it wasn't), and even if you were trying to draw me offside, it still isn't anything close to what you would see happen 3 different times in a game.
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