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Jan 13, 2011 21:29:55 GMT -6
Post by dave on Jan 13, 2011 21:29:55 GMT -6
I see that he has already advanced to the next week so it's up to him on how he wants to resolve it. i don't think anything needs to be done about that game, i just think more specific guidelines need to be set out if we had a specific set of situations that you know if you go for it, a win in that game would have the result thrown out, it would be beneficial to the league. i propose we use this rule Fourth down conversion attempts - no going for it unless you're at your opponent's side of the 50 or closer (exception: you're losing in the fourth quarter).
In game penalty for violations - offending player immediately calls QB kneel and no huddles 3 more QB kneels to give the ball back to the other team.thats pretty cut and dry, we dont need to make anything confusing I would rather not have a specific 4th down rule if possible because it could take away those rare instances like Michigan State's 1st 4th down attempt which does happen occasionally. If people are going for it on 4th down multiple times when they aren't losing at the end of the game then I will make a 4th down rule.
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Jan 13, 2011 23:07:11 GMT -6
Post by sgallo3 on Jan 13, 2011 23:07:11 GMT -6
I would rather not have a specific 4th down rule if possible because it could take away those rare instances like Michigan State's 1st 4th down attempt which does happen occasionally. If people are going for it on 4th down multiple times when they aren't losing at the end of the game then I will make a 4th down rule.
there was nothing wrong with his 1st one in my opinion. lots of teams go for that all the time in college football.
i just think if you don't have a few set in stone rules then people will come up with excuses for doing what they did.
4th and 3 or more on ur own side of your own 45 in the first half should be a forced punt in the dynasty, i can never think of a situation where a team would go for that in real life
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Jan 14, 2011 10:43:20 GMT -6
Post by jwallace0317 on Jan 14, 2011 10:43:20 GMT -6
There's no doubt that this is the toughest area for rulemaking in a sim-style OD. Any specific rule will necessarily be a tradeoff between restricting people from being cheesy and allowing people the freedom of doing something with an element of surprise.
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Jan 14, 2011 22:46:08 GMT -6
Post by dave on Jan 14, 2011 22:46:08 GMT -6
I will make a rule if this comes up again.
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Jan 14, 2011 23:23:23 GMT -6
Post by socbe7 on Jan 14, 2011 23:23:23 GMT -6
If you follow football, then you should know when it is realistic to go for it and when it is not. We've been able to keep this league going for the past 3 or 4 years without any major issues. Bottom line, don't cheese. We have now seen two separate occasions this season of questionable play calling. Consider this thread your first warning. If it happens again, the results will be thrown out and the game will be simmed. Three strikes and you're out of the league. Just play correctly and we'll have a really fun league.
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Jan 16, 2011 14:54:52 GMT -6
Post by sgallo3 on Jan 16, 2011 14:54:52 GMT -6
my game against rutgers is over. i'm glad my guys coughed up the ball a ton in the second half because he started bitching in the first half about cheese. it was lagging the game he sent me so many messages.
he said i audibled too much after i audibled 2 plays in a row and used the same formation for too many plays after i used the same formation for 3 or 4 different plays in a row on the way to a TD
which aren't mentioned anywhere in the rules. still, i used over 13 different formations, more than u would see from most college teams
28 pass attempt, 32 run attempts
he probably won't say anything about it now that he won. i have a feeling the guy is used to winning because of how upset he was after i went up 14-0
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Jan 17, 2011 10:52:27 GMT -6
Post by jeremy on Jan 17, 2011 10:52:27 GMT -6
lol...
Dude you exploited a formation in the game. The Strong Close is a known cheese formation and you took advantage of this. Never in football do teams run 5-6 back to back plays out of the exact same formation not to mention the same plays. Either a quick toss or quick pass.
I didnt get offended till I paused and brought this up to you and you totally denied it then on the very next play came out in the same formation AGAIN. Blatant disrespect for the act of sportsmanship and this dynasty.
If I were to guess you ran maybe 5 different formations the entire game.
It was the worst game Ive played in SR dynasty to date.
I am used to playing in SIM leagues wether NCAA or Madden and this was not sim. If I am expecting too much this league may not be for me.
The game was not fun and that is why I am here. To play and have fun.
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Jan 17, 2011 11:54:36 GMT -6
Post by sgallo3 on Jan 17, 2011 11:54:36 GMT -6
If I were to guess you ran maybe 5 different formations the entire game.
WHAT!?
maybe you just aren't good at reading formations, but i used at least 12 different ones.
i didn't use strong close (I see nothing in the rules about this being a cheese formation) for more than 15 plays out of 60, and i ran 7 different plays out of that formation. also, you lined up in strong close on the goal line. must only be cheese for me to use it
Formations I know i ran for a fact:
Ace - Big Ace - Bunch Base Ace - Twin TE I Form - Normal I Form - Slot Flex I Form - Tackle Over I Form - Tight I Form - Twins Strong I - Close Shotgun - Trio Shotgun - Y Trips Shotgun - Normal Flex Wk
kinda weird taking criticism from a guy who only ran slants, verticals, and post routes the entire game.
Never in football do teams run 5-6 back to back plays out of the exact same formation not to mention the same plays. Either a quick toss or quick pass.
there isn't a play called quick pass. running different plays out of the same formation is called scheming, people do it to keep the defense off balance. not to mention you kept bringin up all ur players to show blitz so i would audible to a pass play.
if you really thought i was running the same play too much. why not save the highlights after the game where i run the same play?
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Jan 17, 2011 13:00:26 GMT -6
Post by lsuwet on Jan 17, 2011 13:00:26 GMT -6
Sorry, but this is very entertaining reading
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Jan 17, 2011 13:30:06 GMT -6
Post by jeremy on Jan 17, 2011 13:30:06 GMT -6
kinda weird taking criticism from a guy who only ran slants, verticals, and post routes the entire game.
of course thats what I ran. Your base defense is a quarters or dollar coverage with 3 safeties deep. Another thing about your game that isnt Sim. No matter the formation I came out in you ran that same quarters or dollar. When I come out and see you in that soft coverage plus backing your CBs off my WR what am I supposed to run. Streaks right at your CBs? You played another cheese style of football because your DL is dominant enough to stop the run even in a heavy pass defend defense.
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Jan 17, 2011 13:31:32 GMT -6
Post by jeremy on Jan 17, 2011 13:31:32 GMT -6
I am done arguing. i just ask that Dave dont put u on my schedule in the future.
This will all catch up with you in the end.
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Jan 17, 2011 13:40:19 GMT -6
Post by sgallo3 on Jan 17, 2011 13:40:19 GMT -6
You played another cheese style of football because your DL is dominant enough to stop the run even in a heavy pass defend defense.
how the fuck is that cheese?
No matter the formation I came out in you ran that same quarters or dollar.
i didn't run a dollar defense 1 time the entire game. you are obviously not very knowledgeable when it comes to formations.
i was running a 3-3-5, the only time i didn't run a 3-3-5 was when i was in quarters
i would also ask dave doesn't schedule us to play again. i can't stand people that cry cheese as soon as their opponent holds them to 3 and out twice and scores on both their first 2 possessions
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Jan 17, 2011 16:56:42 GMT -6
Post by dave on Jan 17, 2011 16:56:42 GMT -6
Obviously I couldn't see the game, but I would have to believe Jeremy who has been with us in this league for 3 years plus. He has always been very trustworthy and I have never heard any complaints about his play. Sgallo, you are new to the league and you have been accused of cheesing in 2 of the 3 games you have played. We rarely ever even have complaints of cheesing in this league the last 3 years so for this to come up this quickly is a red flag. Sgallo, if what you said is true about how you played then just keep playing that way and you won't have any problems. If you are accused of cheesing again then you are out.
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Jan 17, 2011 17:59:42 GMT -6
Post by sgallo3 on Jan 17, 2011 17:59:42 GMT -6
cheesing by my DL being too good?
you can say i've been accused of cheesing twice. but this is the FIRST time anyone has said anything about my playcalling so i don't see why you would believe him without any evidence at all.
whereas i have pointed out several blatant lies in his statement (only using 5 formations, only quarters and dollar defense)
ask hammond and wallace if there was anything unsim about my playcalling (besides the fourth downs TOs against wallace, which i agreed to quit)
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